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October 21, 2024 at 8:06 pm #521592
Philip Taylor
ParticipantI have been able to get my 30-06 loads to 3/4\” at 100 yards, but not so lucky with 350 legend. Loading the 147 Gr truncated RMR match-winners, my most consistent group was a 1 3/4\”X1 3/4\”X1 3/4\” triangle from 50 yards. The load has a COAL-2.1135\” w/27 Gr Hodgdon\’s Lil\’Gun, uniform starline brass, Winchester small rifle primer #41, I was wondering if modifying my powder charge can tighten this to a perfect group. I want it to be under 1 MOA!
October 21, 2024 at 8:11 pm #521593SC
ParticipantAccuracy starts with a good barrel. How well will the gun shoot with factory ammo?
October 21, 2024 at 8:19 pm #521594Philip Taylor
ParticipantI was getting MOA groups with Browning 124 Gr RN. Last week I fired Winchester FMJ, and it was pretty sloppy like 6\” group. I ordered a bipod to steady things up, so I will have to test some factory loads a bit before reloading more. I will get back to this next week sometime, thanks for the help.
October 21, 2024 at 8:48 pm #521595Jacob Wilcox
KeymasterWinchester 41 primers are not great. I haven’t ever been able to get good results from them.
October 21, 2024 at 8:48 pm #521596Jacob Wilcox
KeymasterWinchester 41 primers are not great. I haven’t ever been able to get good results from them.
October 22, 2024 at 4:52 am #521603SC
ParticipantA change in primers may help but I doubt it will shrink groups by half.
Have you measured velocities with a chronograph?
October 22, 2024 at 7:43 am #521611Philip Taylor
ParticipantI don\’t have a chronograph sorry. It will be several days until I can try anything different to confirm issues. What I will do first is put a bi-pod on it to uniform my aim for every shot, and test factory ammo. After that I will load some of what I was loading with winchester primers, also CCI primers, and some Federal Gold Medal Small rifle primers.
October 22, 2024 at 7:54 am #521612SC
ParticipantMake sure your powder drops are consistent. Neck tension is also something that affects groups.
One thing at a time though. Shoot some factory loads with the bipod and use that as a baseline. Next try swapping primers and making sure the power charge is within .1 or .2 grains.
October 22, 2024 at 10:43 am #521619SC
ParticipantMake sure your powder drops are consistent. Neck tension is also something that affects groups.
One thing at a time though. Shoot some factory loads with the bipod and use that as a baseline. Next try swapping primers and make sure the power charge is within .1 or .2 grains.
November 2, 2024 at 3:59 pm #522322Philip Taylor
ParticipantSorry, life has turned into a marathon. I did my test with the new bi-pod from 50 yards.
Factory Load Test:
Winchester FMJ 147 Gr gave a 1/2\” group with a 1\” flier.
Browning 124 Gr rn FMJ gave a group 3/4\” with a 4 inch flier.
These groups are from hole center to hole center, so you can halve them to find distance from bull at 1/4\” and 3/8\” off target.Hand Load Test:
I used a COAL that was on my die from last attempt(2.1.15\”) just to see the difference between (small rifle): Winchester #41, Federal Gold Medal #GM205M, CCI #400, and Fiocchi. Here are the results: Winchester: 2\” with 3 1/2\” flier, Federal Gold Medal: 1 1/2\” w/3\” flier, CCI:3/4\” w/2\” flier, Fiocci: 2\” w/2 1/2\” flier.It appears the CCI primers might be the best of the lot. Every 3 shot group had a flier, so I\’m not too confident that my barrel isn\’t slightly defective. There is an extractor gouge sometimes, and some stove-piping with the rifle. I guess my first issue might be to solve the failures with my 350 legend.
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