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.357 Mag, 147gr smileys… wild spread numbers… crimp?

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  • #529028
    misc720
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    I picked up some of these to try for .357 mag, which I have never loaded before. There is very little load data for 147gr, so I sort of split the difference between 158 and 140 gr data.

    Ramshot Enforcer, 14.0gr, and 14.5gr
    1.590 OAL
    CCI SP Mag primers
    Mixed brass, but true once or twice fired
    Chrono’d out of a Ruger GP100, 4.2″ barrel

    Got wild spreads. Like 950fps to 1250fps over 30+ rounds. They averaged around 1100fps, which is about what I was expecting, but it was all over the place. I chrono’d other known ammo at the same time, and it was all normal. I also individually weighed all of the charges for these chrono batches, so it isn’t powder variation.

    They felt fine, and seemed plenty accurate under 15 yards (indoor range). I did notice that one of the super low velocity ones (900-ish fps) had a much bigger flash than the others.

    These bullets don’t have a cannelure, so I loaded them similar to my 9mm loads. I used a UniqueTek funnel/expander, which generally has really good neck tension, and I put a light taper crimp on them. I did the bench-push test, and I also measured the 6th round after firing five, and there is no setback at all.

    I am thinking I need to try a deeper roll crimp, for more pressure consistency? I can’t imagine what else could cause such major velocity spread.

    Any opinions are appreciated before I try the next batch. Thanks in advance.

    #529029
    SC
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    Are the unfired bullets pulling themselves out of the case during recoil?

    I would measure six rounds and load them in the gun. Shoot two then measure the remaining four and see if they have lengthened. Seating depth affects pressure and if the bullets are pulling out, the pressure will drop causing a loss of velocity.

    #529030
    misc720
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    I did measure them while firing, no movement at all. And the spread was totally random, it did not increase or decrease toward the end of the cylinder.

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    #529035
    SC
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    It could be mixed brass. I would sort by headstamp.

    #535839
    Ninemile
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    Hey 720,
    You replied to my post last summer. The additional testing i did with Enforcer yielded ES at around 250fps (several times) and all my brass has been Starline. So i am seeing odd results like you. I have since moved to H110 at a charge of 16.3gr. I’m at 1170 fps out of my 6” Patrolman but ES is still high at 174. However, all charges were dropped and not individually weighed. This bullet remains a challenge. For now and even with a high ES with both Enforcer and H110 the loads do what i want them to. I would like to understand why the ES is so high though. GRT wasnt that helpful with Enforcer but i have yet to run H110 through it.

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